June 7, 2000: Ljubljana, Slovenia

Lecture by Srila Bhakti Vaibhava Puri Goswami Maharaja

Now, guru puja. Guru puja is, our Visvanatha Cakravarti says that Guru engages all his disciples in the service of the Lord and the service of offering prayers, and service of making garlands or preparations for the deity. The guru with the help of all disciples will do this and teach them. To teach them he personally does the duties. And he teaches that. Daily, what we have to do. That Gurvastaka first is

samsara-davanala-lidha-loka-tranaya karunya ghana-ghanatvam
He's very kindly, has come to this world to purify all the ignorant jivas by teaching them the service of the Supreme Godhead. Samsara dava nala We are in this world. We are burning. Fire, this, like a forest fire. In the forest, the fire cannot be subsided by watering. You cannot get water there. Vast area is attached with fire. Only by water pipes you cannot subside it. It requires the clouds. So, guru is compared with the clouds, clouds, raining clouds. The clouds are there, it is raining. But no raining, no rain, only clouds, they come and go. That is not actual comfort. It is compassion towards the jivas. So, ghana-ghanatvam, he says ghana-ghanatvam. He is compared to the clouds and that to raining clouds. When it rains then the world will be perfectly free from the burning. So, all of jivas are always burning in tapatrayas; adhyatmika, adhibhautika and adhidaivika tapa. They are burning. With the help of, with the blessings of guru, he will distribute the rains, or teaches that devotion. And among all the devotion, it is, hari-nama-sankirtana is the supreme. He always teaches us sankirtan. Through sankirtan we can subside our burnings and we will be happy. Then he teaches us how to make a garland, how to worship the Lord, how to do arcana. Arcana. This will be taught by the guru. The guru teaches us that arcana. And he accepts that arcana not for himself. Only to pass it away to his beloved Lord. Guru is not the enjoyer. He is unlimited person. Whatever you give, he is not accepting for his own self. He accepts it only to serve the Lord. Like a postpion. Whatever you give the post, letter, he will carry to the office and send to the address. So also like in banks he takes and he gives. And he is not the enjoyer. Whatever amount you want to stock there he will accept. And whatever amount he has order to be distributed to you that will be given by that. That is the guru's function. Though guru is called Baladeva, Nityananda and at higher stage manjari and at higher stage is Radhika. So, guru is called:
saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha
In all our scriptures, it is mentioned that guru is equal to Hari, the Lord, Supreme Lord. At the same time they say same to:

saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya
And actually he is the beloved confidential devotee of the Supreme Lord. In various stages he accepts the service of all others and offers this to beloved Lord. He will never enjoy. People who say:

gurur brahma guru visnu guru deva mahesvara guru saksad parabrahma tasmai sri gurave namah
The guru is considered to be Brahma or considered to be Mahadeva and considered to be Visnu. There is no difference between guru and Visnu. So I will offer my prayers to guru. If I offer my prayers to guru, the guru will, if he is satisfied, then all the demigods and Lord, Supreme Lord will be satisfied. He is Supreme Lord. He is Brahma (laughs). Of course, yes, it is also admitted in our scriptures that if we serve guru we are serving Visnu, we are serving Mahadeva or Brahma. It is also there. But, according to Vaisnava philosophy, Vaisnavas only offer to guru because guru is the beloved devotee of the Lord and is equal to Lord. Because there can be no difference between your guru and the Lord, yet he says this:

saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha,

kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya
He is the beloved confidential servant of the Lord. Though the Lord enjoys through him, yet God also reciprocation to it. That he also serves.

aham bhakta-paradhino
hy asvatantra iva dvija
mad-bhaktanam ca ye bhaktas
te me bhaktatama matah
He says that: "To worship me, the bhakta who worships me is not great. But one who worships my devotee, he is great." So, devotee's position is higher. But the devotee doesn't accept it leaving away the Supreme God. No. He says yes. He may think that, he may think

na me bhakta pranasyati
and Supreme Lord is Supreme. We find in this Vaisnava philosophy, they treat Lord Krishna or Narayana or Govinda or other names such as Vishnu. So, if we worship Vishnu, he says

yasya prasadad bhagavat prasado yasya aprasadat na gati kuto 'pi
If guru is satisfied, pleased, then Lord will be pleased. If the Guru is not pleased, Lord is not pleased. So we must always try to please our Guru. It is there. But he accepts only to encourage the devotee and not for his enjoyment. He accepts it to please his devotee and such sort of devotion is a process adopted by Vaisnavas. Vaisnavas.

This is in Ramanuja sampradaya: one day, Ramanuja's guru, Gosthipurna asked Ramanuja to come to certain place as he also will be coming there. So it was summer, hot summer. The land was very hot. The terrain will be very hot. And Govinda, a follower of Ramanuja, following Ramanuja. And Ramanuja walked a distance in that hot summer, no pada riksa. No. No pada riksa, no slippers, no sandals, nothing. Walked. Because he asked him, he asked for darshana of guru, guru asked him to come. Then when he saw guru from a long distance he falled flat on the sand. Sand is very hot. There is, the steel is burning. Guru has come very near, but guru never asked Ramanuja to get up. No. He never asked. Then Govinda, the follower of Ramanuja. He boldly lifted Guru's body and said: "My master's body is burned. Get up! You get up!" So he got up. Thereby Goshtipurna was very much pleased. He said: "There are so many disciples. Ramanuja's. He has. None could dare to lift him without my orders. Because not to, not for himself. If he has committed anything wrong he is liable to punishment. "I am ready, but I must see my guru's body is burned. So I cannot tolerate."" Then he said: "You are only the person, confidential servant who can save Ramanuja. Because people are trying to kill Ramanuja. So, you must serve him always. You must be always with him." Like that, guru's order, one must carry guru's order.

(16:17?)guro raghnya abhicaraniyam
Whatever guru says you have to do it. Though it is wrong, ........ ; Parashuram's father. He is Jamadagni. Jamadagni, his wife went for water and it was puja time. Now it is late so she is not coming. After fixed hour she came, then he was very angry. Now he said: "Why are you so late?" She was straying when she went to bring water but she was seeing the dancing of Gandharvas and Apsaras, dances. She forgot that she has come to take water for the puja. Then, these three sons are there. He ordered three sons to kill your mother. But three boys never accepted it. When he called Parashuram who was in penance, he called him, Parashurama came running and he says: "What shall I do?" "You take your ax and kill your mother first and then kill brothers." Without any word he removed that ax, killed these four. Then he is very much pleased. "You have followed sacred guru's order. What will I give to you? What do you want?" Then he says: "Let my brothers and mother think they're never killed by me. Just they were sleeping and also they should not remember that." Yes. Like that, immediately boys stood and wife also stood. There he says:


guro raghnay abhicaraniyam
Parashurama says: "It is order of the guru."

You cannot speak to guru that it is wrong. It is not your business. So whatever guru said you do it first. Then you will get the result. But this is, such a daring action, others cannot do that. Parashurama knows the capacity of his father. So he did this. Because he is an avatar. So he did it. All cannot do that. Anyhow, guru's service, guru's service means service of the Lord. Guru doesn't want service from anybody. Doesn't want a flower from anybody. Whatever they do, they offer, he should offer to guru and gradually in the channel, this guru's channel is there: Sri Krishna, Brahma, Devarishi Narada and then comes Vyasa and then Madhvacarya, gradually it comes to Madhavendra Puri and Iswara Puri, like that, and till the present guru. Now, if I act according to the order of my guru, that should have touch with the guru's activities. Because all the gurus in guru parampara, they all follow one principle. Dvadash mahajans, he says, mahajano, dvadash mahajans, who are those 12 mahajanas? Svayambhu, Narada, Shambu, Kumara, Kapila, Manu, Prahlada, Janaka, Bhisma, Bali, Sukadeva and Yama-dharmaraja. These 12 mahajanas.

mahajano yena gata sa pantha
Then he says:

dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam mahajano yena gatah sa panthah
We should follow the mahajanas or the path they have practiced and ... to others. Now that we have to follow our guru's pranali, guru parampara's teachings. All their teachings they combine. Everybody will say like this. Because one who will want to, becomes a guru and he says: "You all must follow me." Whether he follows his guru or not this is different question. Nobody asks him. It is not necessary. Yet, this is parampara. That parampara must be maintained. There he says, that will reach Krishna through parampara. Guru, whatever you give to guru, guru, he gives his guru, guru, parama guru, parameshti guru and all, one by one, they accept. This is not a physical or material question. It is only spiritual, spiritual. One must lead the spiritual life dictated by his guru. And his guru also follows his guru. Like that his guru parampara comes. There are first four vaisnava paramparas: Sri, Brahma, Rudra, Sanaka. Sri - Laksmi, from Laksmi. And Rudra from Mahadeva. And Brahma, from Brahma. And from Sanaka, Sanatana, Sanat, Sanandan, Brahma's four children, manasa-putras. And these are Sri, Brahma, Rudra, Sanak, Sanatana, Sanak, Sanak-sampradaya - Nimbarka sampradaya, Vishnuswami's and Ramanuja's and Madhva's. These are the four sampradayas

sampradaya vihinas ye mantras te nisphala matah
Every sampradaya has mantra, but different mantras. Vishnu mantra may differ. And first Ramanuja, he says Narayanaya namah but we say Krishna. So, their ashtakshari and we may utter ashtadasakshari, mantras differ. Yet, all of them according to circumstances and the time, all they appear in this world and they teach this mantra to all, so that all may reach the Lord. There, summum bonum is, that we say, our is Krishna prema. But almost all the vaisnava acaryas they say only moksa. To follow varnasrama dharma and moksa prayojan. They want moksa. Ramanuja says so, Madhva says so. And Baladeva Vidyabushan he said, Vallabha Acarya he also says this and Visnuswami, Nimbarka. Nimbarka also same. But here:
varnasramacaravata purusena para puman, visnur aradhyate pumsam nanyat tat-tosa karanam
Mahaprabhu first heard of this philosophy from Ramananda. At the banks of Godavari when he was, after sannyas when he was traveling he met this Ramananda who was then the Governor of southern empire of Orissa under Gajapati Prataparudra. And he asked: "Ramananda, what is sadhan, what is sadhan and what is sadhya, tell me?" He says

varnasramacara va ta, varnasramacara va ta
Those who follow varnasrama dharma aradhyate vishnur, they worship Vishnu. Because they follow the principles of Varnasrama. Brahmins, Ksatriyas, Vaisyas and Sudras and brahmacari, grihasta, vanaprastha and sannyasi. This Varnasrama dharma they have to follow. To follow varnasrama is sadhan, sadhya is vishnu-priti. Vishnu will be pleased if everybody follows varnasrama dharma. But Mahaprabhu says :"No, you please go ahead. It is not the proper answer to my question. I say, go beyond that." Then he said: "Whatever you do, this is karma, whatever you do

yat karosi yad asnasi
yaj juhosi dadasi yat
yat tapasyasi kaunteya
tat kurusva mad-arpanam
you give it to me, offer to me. Then the result you may not enjoy because result is given to me. So, when you never enjoy you will have no birth." A man without having that link with the God, whatever act it is he does, he is liable to follow the result. The fruit he has to follow. And he will get that fruit. But, if it is properly offered to the Lord then he is not responsible to follow the fruit and have birth again. That also Mahaprabhu says: "No. You have to go further." Then he says:

sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
All dharmas you practice you leave them and surrender to me. By that, all the sins that you have commited, I will relieve you from all sins, sins and here results of outrage. Then, Mahaprabhu says: "Still go ahead." Then he says:

brahma-bhutah prasannatma
na socati na kanksati
samah sarvesu bhutesu
mad-bhaktim labhate param
Then he says, prasanatma na socati na kanksati. One who attains brahma-bhuta stage, brahma bhuta stage then that stage when he attains he has no demands and nothing to feel for this loss of anything na socati na kanksati. Samah he feels all equal. samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim Then he is eligible to have bhakti, devotion. Now Mahaprabhu said: "Yes, now I accept." Then he thought, he said: "You still go ahead." Then he says:

jnane prayasam udapasya namanta eva
jivanti san-mukharitam bhavadiya-vartam
sthane sthitah sruti-gatam tanu-van-manobhir
ye prayaso jita jito'py asi tais tri-lokyam
Now, that bhakti mixed with. Now, pure bhakti he says, one must listen, submit and search a guru or a realized pure soul, vaisnava and from him he must hear the glories of the Lord. And then devotion, pure devotion. And then he says: "Yes, now it is completely(but little ?) about dasya bhakti." Now, five rasas. One shanta rasa, dasya rasa, sakhya rasa, vatsalya rasa, sringara rasa. adi eva paro rasa sringara is five, five. And when he came to sringara rasa he told about Radha-Krishna and their all pastimes and the conjugal or this confidential matters which cannot be disclosed. Then they come and then Mahaprabhu says: "Yes, yes. Now avati, you have come to the end. Now tell me about the glories of Krishna and Radha, these glories." Then, what is the last one, lila? There he says: "There is none in this world who will ask such a question. Now you are asking. I tell you don't talk. Keep your mouth closed. If you ask everyone will let it go." Then Ramananda said: "There is none in this world who can come to this point. Now, you speak through me and you are questioning." So through Ramananda he came full contact of this bhakti rasa. Till then bhakti was a bhava. Now he, Mahaprabhu followed it. They were practicing, Mahaprabhu was in that closed door for 18 years, day and night he was weeping for Lord Krishna. He taught this that Radha when she was left alone. From Vrindavan Krishna went away to Mathura and then he came to Dvaraka. He never returned to Vrindavan. Who promised that I will return in four days. Every day the gopis, every morning they say four days. So years are passing ... till they count four days. Fourth. He said they will come fourth day. Today is first day, Tuesday, Wednesday and tomorrow, he said at fourth day, Friday they were get up in ..........fourth day. He said they will come in four days. So they are counting four days, months and years all are passing away. And this separation made Radha uneasy. So if you go to Vrindavan; they say Radha must ....... Because Radha was there always weeping for Krishna. So they want their Radha. All the Vrijabasis are on the side of Radha. They worship Radha through, the worship there taught by, this is Radha was doing, following that and Mahaprabhu followed that.

? (36:00) radha bhava.......chuvalitam
There were thousands of devotees. None can able to go nearer to Mahaprabhu in those days. Because, everybody must be far away from him. Only you should offer your prostrations and go. Prior to that Mahaprabhu used to ask: "How are you?" keeping dance. But now Mahaprabhu never talks. Nobody should go near because he's always in his mood. Where he, he may be in, near Radha-kunda or at Govardhana or some place where Krishna is with Radhika. And now, he used to say to Svarupa Damodara who was Lalita and Visakha is Ramananda. And another, Madhavi mata and Madhavi mata ..... He is Sikhi Mahantu. Three and half people. What? Only the associates of Mahaprabhu. Nobody is allowed. No others are allowed to come. Nobody can understand him. Ragunatha das Goswami was, but Ragunath das Goswami had no power to talk to Mahaprabhu. Only whatever the action was going on they ask, he will remember it in his heart, perfect. No writing. No, these people, all the great, there was Svarupa Damodara, a great scholar. And this Ramananda was also great scholar. They never kept anything and write. Because writing is not necessary. It must come from his, from inspiration it will come. They were not... But now we publish so many thousands and millions of books. We read that million. Can we get a spark of that inspiration? It don't come. It is not possible. Only the Lord's blessings. According to blessing the gradation will be there.... But now there are so many contradictions, one writing another, writing another. (Laughs) Another writes. And there Kaviraja Goswami, when he, when all the Vaisnavas requested Kaviraj Goswami to complete Chaitanya Bhagavat. Chaitanya Bhagavata was written by Vrindavan das Thakur. And now they said: "Vrindavan das Thakur could not complete the life of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu." Because, every chapter is also Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and most towards Nityananda. So, he sings always glories of Nityananda." Than he says: "I cannot able to complete. The Vyasadeva must come and he will complete." Now, Kaviraj Goswami, he came to Vrindavan and he was doing bhajan. He was old. More than 80. Now, all the devotees requested him that he should write complete life. He said: "No. I will never do that. It will be a competition. I will be commiting offense at the feet of Vrindavan das Thakur. Why should I write? ..... Why should I write?" So, he never accepted the proposal by all Vaisnavas. And then all Vaisnavas took him to Madan-Gopal. And they offered their prayers to Madan-Gopal. And after the offering, Madan-Gopal's garland from his neck, it fell down automatically. Then all of them said: "You please take this as the blessings of Madan-Gopal and write." He says:

ami vrddha jaratura, likhite kanpaye kara,
mane kichu smarana na haya
"I am old. I cannot write. My hand's shaking. I have no remembrance. How can I write?" Then he says:

ei grantha lekhaya more `madana-mohana'
Madan-Mohan writes. I am not writing. Madan-Mohan writes. I am like a parrot. Whatever Madan-Mohan dictates I write. I am out of, upon grace - I cannot write." That he wrote. So, he says: "What is my identification." He says: "I am inferior than human stools and insect of that stool."

purisera kita haite muni se laghistha
Purisa means stools of man. In the stools there will be germs. "I am inferior than those germs." Did you ever hear anybody, any author, such a lucid translation he has done that every word is alive? Krishna Chaitanya katha. If you hear Chaitanya caritamrita though you don't know the language but this, this is written, you will develop; water will come from your eyes. You do not know the language yet it will come. Because it has got life. He says: "I am not writing. This is written by Madan-Gopal. He is writing." Now, we are writing many books, thousands of books only to create heterodynes and malice and misunderstanding. Nobody can understand him. He says: "I am right.", he says: "I am right." You must establish. Everybody wants their own caritamrita. No. He is a writer. He is a writer. "If anybody says Krishnadas all the sin will come to him. If anybody hears my name Krishnadas then all the sins that he is doing. He should not hear my name. Nobody should hear my name."

emana nirghrna more keba krpa kare
eka nityananda vinu jagat bhitare
"Who can help this wretched fellow? Who can help? Only my help it is Lord Chaitanya and Nityananda. Because Nityananda, by Nityananda's blessing only I could write this, I could survive." Now, one must feel that. Now also, if you read Chaitanya-caritamrita ... now it is, Narottama Thakura says:

verse ? 44:34 jaho hoilo chaitanya ...gaura-govinda lila ... mahajana hoilo mulo siddha
"Now, who reads Chaitanya-caritamritam, though his heart is like a stone it will be melted. But, inspite of that though I am a human being my heart is more strong than steel so it cannot be melted", he says. He is weeping for that. That he cannot understand it. This is how those devotees, they felt for. In those days, they were only about devotion. Always devotion. They are free from malice. Pure heart. They were pure heart. In Vrindavan the devotees never stay in one place. Never. In one cottage. No. Everybody was at different place. Some were staying... (break of tape) But now we think that we are preaching namam. How many people do hear namam? What is the population of the whole world? And what was, he will display? How many people? They know Chaitanya, they know the Divine Name, they practice Divine Name? How many? It is only the will of the Lord. When the Lord wants to be, to be, but Lord has said:

prithivite ache yato nagaradi grama
sarvatra pracara hoibe mora nama
So, in this world, every corner of the world, every corner, village of the world will be nama-sankirtan, he said. Now, this was done by Swami Maharaja. We are grateful to him that he went, he went, alone he went. He never took amount, nothing with him. He went alone. Only Harinam. By the grace of guru and Gauranga and the harinam he was sitting like this in the park. It is american park, they do all nuisance. They are like dogs. They embrace each other, they kiss each other, love each other in the park, yet he was sitting and doing namam Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. For one week there nobody is coming to him. Nobody asked: "What are you doing?" Nobody. For two hours he sits and do namam and go. One week. Then he contacted the steamer. Is it returning to India? Because he can do that, but I will never stay here, nobody will hear namam, nobody will hear. It only can you ask some, was given some day. Then he said let me try another week. Now he tried. That week also nobody comes. And at the end of that week one fellow has come. And he heard and on the next day he brought another friend. And gradually the number increased. And then they said: "We will have a fixed place where we can announce the time. But also he did, they were in there, they have taken, some .... they were in there. Yes, five thirty, five sankirtan, five thirty. Five thirty will go to six. And six, six thirty prasad. Now he has to prepare the ground, now he must clean it and cook and prepare prasadam and get it ready and now mridanga, bhajan. Only one person doing bhajan, will do bhajan. Then he will give the lecture in half an hour. Then after half an hour prasad distribution. That prasad he has prepared he only will distribute. This is from the grass root he has troubled hard to establish nama-sankirtana in western countries. But your country is not so richer. In richest country in the world, America. They never think that there are any human beings in other places, only in America. Those people gradually, they surrendered and they shaved their heads and they were doing, taken cloth and going around sing bhajan. Now, the time, of course, he has established Krishna consciousness. He has done this throughout the world. Everybody came to know what Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is, about the philosophy of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. He has written bhagavata, 65 volumes. Nobody can compete it and he has done. And Bhagavad-gita and Chaitanya-caritamrita 22 volumes he wrote. Now it is translated to 60 or 70 languages. People are reading. People are knowing this. And we also, we also, he has shown the way to come to western countries. He said, when we are talking, used to say: "Why you don't come to western?" I said: "I am doing service. I was there in Ramananda Gaudiya Math and doing service. I cannot come. You go and ....... we shall meet." So, again 71 he returned from America and I requested him to open our temple at Godavari bank. One temple outside, that side and this side also. And he came there in June 71 and all the senior, any senior sannyasi ISKCON has come. He was for 7 days. Then he went to Bombay, from Bombay came to Madras, and from Madras he said: "I am going with 20 members." All seniors. They were staying twenty days in our Vishakhapatnam temple. And they were well treated. Because ... to India there all preparations are made. And after that he said: "You come to Navadvip. We will give foundation of temple there. So, I with four others, Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj, Ananda prabhu, Nityananda prabhu. Us four went and we performed the festival there and foundation was given. And then they left. I returned with them. I returned. Of course, I could not able to come out from the institution. It will be coming after- And whenever they do want something for you to take there(?). That was old ... good days. Now, at the time of 77 also he came and before his departure, because we were going on to Badrinath, with 120 passengers, devotees were there. Devotees. They are not so... I went there. He asked me to come. He was in this temple, Vrindavan temple. Lying on the bed. He was very glad to see us all. And asked the devotees to prepare prasad for them. The feast. Was talking about a cheat, a cheat; Dr.Kovuru. He wrote some article against Vaisnavism. And then he said: "No sir, he is not doctor, the con doctor." A story and he laughed. Now, he was quite well, quite well. So he was sitting, lying in the bed. At last moment we could not able to come. We were at Rajamundhry. Long distance. Anyhow, their, our, that, there ISKCON people must now maintain that, keeping Krsna consciousness with Swami Maharaja ..... Hare Krishna. Now, we must, we should not forget the Guru

cakhu dana dilo yei janme janme prabhu sei
So who has opened my eyes, darkness, I was in ignorance, dark, and he has given me the eyes to see, to understand and through his blessings we are standing in the field now. And how can we forget that? Their kindness or compassion towards all the jivas? Can we forget? We cannot forget. But we always must follow the dictations and the teachings and we will be blessed and if we follow the teachings thereby we will be benefited, spiritually benefited. Without guru one cannot spiritually be benefited. So, now we must... What is that benefit? Developing devotion. If we commit offense at the real Vaisnava then our Namam cannot develop.

yadi vaisnava-aparadha uthe hati mata
upade va chinde, tara sukhi' yaya pata
So, one must be very careful not to commit Vaisnava aparadha and practice namam. By that he will receive, receive, by that you can reach Goloka. And if not this will be a hard path. One if he commits offense it will break. Break is there, it will never survive. It will go away, the little devotion that we have possessed. So we must be very careful not to commit Vaisnava aparadha. We do little Vaisnava aparadha, that will destroy our accumulated devotion, that that we have, that will go away. So always we must avoid Vaisnava aparadha and do Hari namam. Hari namam.

narada vinoj-jivana! sudhormi-niryasa-madhuri-pura
What is that? He was singing in tambura, vina, in that vina, that of the nectarian waves, waves of sound that comes out from the vina. narada vinoj-jivana So now, this name, the Nama, Divine Name gives life to the vina of Narada. Gives life that vina. Because when he sings devotional name of Vishnu and the wave, the currently wave, just the wave, taranga, it is bhava taranga or chara taranga, udhana, arohana, avarohana. That thrill, the thrill just like wave and come and it will then dissapear. This is called arohana and that is called avarohana. The scientists music knows that how to develop this and gradually ... And this vina, the life has vina, and if there's no life but when Narada sings about Narayana, Krishna, Krishna's pastimes or Krishna namam

narada vinoj-jivana! sudhormi-niryasa-madhuri-pura
This nectarian waves will develop. So that namam is so... Our Rupa Goswami in his namastaka wrote

Mukta-kulair. Those who are free from the bondage they perfectly do namam, they worship. Brahma with four heads, Shiva with five heads, Narada with Vina and sahasra sirsa purusha, thousands of heads, he also sings, Ananta, he also sings glories of the Namam. Those mukta purushas, those mukta purushas are not like us. We are under the influence of maya. We are badha jivas. We are bound souls. We have no knowledge, nothing. We do not know anything. Our mukta purushas, philosophy is clear to them. So they are very clear, their understanding. Those mukta-purushas also, they cannot sit quite, always they sing namam,

ayi-mukta-kulair-upasyamanam, paritas-tvam harinama! samsrayami
So, all mukta purushas they are always repeating namam. But unfortunately we are not repeating namam. We have no voice. We can, but now in this year, generations, I have seen generations, 50 years back, generations, the same people, ISKCON people, they were coming and play "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna!" loudly they speak. No mike was there. There was no mike. Nothing. Only voice. Yes. Voice. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna. And when I see them sitting in the ashrama, everybody is repeating Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. The same people are now, but I don't hear even one namam from them. It is, time for us changed, changed because everybody is changing. Or this instruments were not then. There was nothing, only .. these was very rare. But now it developed, time developed. Nobody opens mouth. Hare Krishna. Everybody doing namam, opens no mouth. That is there is no, nobody says Hare Krishna Hare Krishna. With the great difficulty, with the help of instruments and harmonium and all this they say Hare Krishna Hare Krishna. As if the whole body or the whole energy will be spoiled if we repeat namam. That is "don't talk", no talk is necessary, as yogi or mauna, mauna always. As the finger is doing. So finger only doing namam. Not the tongue, not the tongue. Because he thinks it is difficult to repeat namam now. Because it can only dance upon the tongue of

sevon mukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva spurathy adha
Those who are at service, who want to do service, inwardly and outwardly all their senses, organs, they will dance. They will dance. When that namam appears on the tongue the tongue will dance, eyes will dance, hands will dance, the legs will dance. They cannot sit quite like a figure. Now, everybody is like a photo. They want to become a photo. Lifeless photo. They are not repeating namam. You can see at their ........... is no meditation, no meditation. How can you meditate? They have no control upon their mind. Mind is active. Now everybody's mind is active. Though your tongue is not active, mind is active. You cannot control. No science can control that mind. Very difficult. Now, the problem increases. Because if they utilize their organs in the sankirtan; dancing, singing, beating mridanga, beating karatals their mind will be controlled easily. Easily will be controlled. The mind will never go this way, this way. Because they have to sing and they have to beat karatals in life. If not he will be ............ His attention will be there with the sankirtan dancing. And just like the one who sings. He sings, he should sing and all the musical instruments should help it. Because he controls the mind. Great singers, they have control over mind. They have got name and fame. They have got name and fame. . ... in South india Purandar das.......................There will be increasing voice, gradually developing voice, and increasing voice, There is one .......... Now he is 85 or 86. Now he cannot sing, world famous, he cannot sing. And ..... now in India he is also very, very good. All our songs, Gita Govinda songs and the songs of all great poets. So, Nama sankirtan then it has a charm when Mahaprabhu was there. The Mahaprabhu was dancing. Narottama Thakur if you beat the mridanga he ............ They were ideal persons. You cannot see such an ideal person. Not giving lectures. No. This boy has become lecturer. What is use doing that? Nama sankirtan. Nama sankirtan. Sankirtan, they will, their minds, their feelings, and their organs, they all are engaged in sankirtan. We cannot see such an ideal person, ideal. Or Mahaprabhu used to do sankirtan when mridangas were five parties, five parties. Every party one sings and one will dance and others would follow. There were five parties. There was in front of Jagannath, side of Jagannatha, two sides, back three and in the front two. And every party, in one Svarupa Damodar, one is Haridas, one is from Shantipur, Advaita Acarya, they will be singing, and one Vakresvara Pandit and he also will be dancing throughout. And Mahaprabhu when he wants to dance he used to dance in five. He goes and dances there and at other four he dances. And just like the whole body like a circle, body moves in circles there. So, sankirtan you cannot see. We are not fortunate enough to see that sankirtan now. There is no sankirtan at all. Where is sankirtan? No voice. Sankirtan means dance. According to ... there must be dance. But where is? Nobody knows. And if you say or request all to do sankirtan they won't open their mouth. No police repeating Hare Krishna. And they are afraid.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare!
Now, if I say you say. But when you take your Harinama do you say like that? No. You will never. You will never open your mouth. In the mind you'll do. That will never help you. Because mind is very strong. Mind doesn't want to accept it. And now it is, as this is, one generation has gone. In our younger generation we used to see that. We used to see that. Our Keshav Maharaj he used to beat mridanga. At the beginning I was there. I used to sing, Maharaj mridanga and Haridas Thakur dance with karatals. We were three and four. And there were none, .... Now, so many people have come. (Laughs) Remember. There in the Sridhara Maharaja's I was only young person. It was only one who used to cook and he used to clean and............ Now building, everything has come. He was there. And we'll be singing. We repeat Nama sankirtana. .....(?) Maharaja and Sridhar Maharaja and our Keshava Maharaj. They are not, they are gone away. And now nobody ..., nobody has nothing to do. Anyhow, you must do Nama Sankirtan. Nama Sankirtan. Nama Sankirtan. Hari namam. All of you do Nama Sankirtan.

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